Thursday, June 11, 2009

Generation Pain

There is an interesting thread on the Property Pin about the welfare gap that has developed in many western countries between the generation in their forties and fifties and those in their thirties.
As the Ireland faces the consequences of the property bust it is clear that those most likely to have bought at peak prices are in their twenties and thirties while many of the older generation cashed in nicely during the boom years. I think that it is a mistake to try to apportion generational blame as economic circumstances are largely out of any individual's control and anybody with the right to vote can influence which politicians make decisions in his name. My observations from the outside are that Irish people of around my age should look at their own actions during the property boom. I know of many people who were engaged in property flipping or of gratuitously increasing the selling price of their house if they sniffed a greater profit. In my view many people smelt that something was amiss but ignored the obvious and joined in the collective madness.
One thing that I will say in relation to this is that a paradigm shift is needed in people's attitude to entitlement. For example, the Irish state gives a free travel pass to retired people so that they can travel without charge the length and breadth of the country. Of course this is a nice retirement perk but is it really necessary to give the rich older generation free travel while the poorer younger generation pays the full whack. The assumption that older people are poorer and need to make do on a state pension is just wrong. Clearly there is a sector of society that needs a helping hand but universal benefits are not the way to do this efficiently. Ireland will have a major challenge tackling this thorny issue because the main political parties are full of those with vested interests in maintaining the status quo. In the Euro elections Irish people made a move to the left to punish the government. If Ireland wants to get its house back in order a younger centre right party is needed. Perhaps Fine Gael can be that party but I very much doubt that it can be anything more than a replica of its larger revival.

4 comments:

Grow Up said...

I certainly didn't join in the madness, when we looked at having a bigger place we examined the numbers closely and decided that an extension would cost the same as the stamp duty if we were to trade up. Needless to say we went for the extension option. I really do feel this country is governed for the middle aged, by the middle aged. And if you want to talk about earnings after retirement, let's get going good-o on the public servants, cos my pension's going to consist of a stale rolo and a used chewing gum wrapper. At this rate, I'll need me some free travel so I can get around to mugging enough retired civil servants to keep me going.

nick said...

The property issue is a complex one. Jenny and I have done very well out of property prices over the years, moving up from a rented flat to a detached house, but it was pure luck and I guess we could just as easily have lost loads of money. We certainly couldn't have afforded much on our incomes which were very low for some years.

I get over-60 free bus travel which I don't need at all but frankly I always claim whatever I'm entitled to. It's up to the authorities to make it more restrictive if they think it's being abused. After all, I do at the same time pay a massive rates bill.

Aidan said...

I also claim what I am entitled to as the tax authorities tend to take way with the other hand just as readily. My point is though that people are generally very emotive on the issue of taxing older people. In Holland we have the situation where the universal public pension is being called in to question because the vast majority of people have private pension which give them far more income than the government pension. I fully expect that the universal pension will be scrapped by the time I retire even though I pay for today's pensioners. The population is greying on the one hand and those in their 50s here are the richest sector of the population as they maxed out on house price inflation and also they are the last generation to have all of the entitlements of the welfare state. In the last few years almost every beneft has been cut on a sliding scale so that those in their 30s will not benefit (one example is a very generous early retirement scheme which is no longer allowed for anybody under 50).
I agree with solidarity to an extent but between rich and poor, not young and old.

Colm said...

The thing about 'perks' such as travel passes is that it was alright when the number of OAPs were low compared to the earning generations but as our society gets older issues such as this, as you rightly say, will need to be re-negotiated. There should be greater use made of needs-testing and a consideration of previous payments made to the state through income-tax.

My grandparents were of the age that they paid 50% taxes and paid for all their children through secondary school and uni - free fees only came in later. They had retired before the Celtic Tiger came along so they missed out on the increased wages.

At the same time you had people earning fortunes, not paying their fair share of taxes and getting their kids through school and college for free.